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    Remote starter Viper 4806V on standard 2017 Micra SR

    I just complete this project.. an here my thoughts:
    I got viper 4806v 2 way remote starter and idatalink bypass module al-ca( module was preprogramed by guy who sold me it).
    Recomendations:
    1.Find manual on Fortin all-in-all installation - in shows very good pictures of where wires are and what their color.
    2. Get two relays with sokets - to by pass clutch pedal position and interlock switches. connect Second ignition wire to control two relays. One relay need to be connected parrallel and secon in series to those two swiches.
    3. In viper remote - set parking light output to '+' - small door on remote with fuse in it. It controls white brown pin on main harness.
    4. Use hardwire links instead of data cable between remote control an bypass modules( it is extra cables but it is more reliable)
    5. 'status' wire on remote is actualy - active while running on bypass module.
    6. Get installation diagram for by pass module from idatalink site(it is free)
    7. Search web and find a document called viper 4806 installation. Installation instructions that came with remore starter is too brief and can be confusing.
    8. There are plenty of room where bypassmodule and remote starter can be placed under driver kickpanel
    9.For installation - driver kick panel and steering wheel covers need to removed. Removing driver kick panel - 2 screws(obdii connector) and two 10mm bolts for hood/gas door release.
    Removing steering wheel panel - rotate a steering weel to get access to two screews.
    10. Dont forget to disconnect your battery!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by geo View Post
    I just complete this project.. an here my thoughts:
    I got viper 4806v 2 way remote starter and idatalink bypass module al-ca( module was preprogramed by guy who sold me it).
    Recomendations:
    1.Find manual on Fortin all-in-all installation - in shows very good pictures of where wires are and what their color.
    2. Get two relays with sokets - to by pass clutch pedal position and interlock switches. connect Second ignition wire to control two relays. One relay need to be connected parrallel and secon in series to those two swiches.
    3. In viper remote - set parking light output to '+' - small door on remote with fuse in it. It controls white brown pin on main harness.
    4. Use hardwire links instead of data cable between remote control an bypass modules( it is extra cables but it is more reliable)
    5. 'status' wire on remote is actualy - active while running on bypass module.
    6. Get installation diagram for by pass module from idatalink site(it is free)
    7. Search web and find a document called viper 4806 installation. Installation instructions that came with remore starter is too brief and can be confusing.
    8. There are plenty of room where bypassmodule and remote starter can be placed under driver kickpanel
    9.For installation - driver kick panel and steering wheel covers need to removed. Removing driver kick panel - 2 screws(obdii connector) and two 10mm bolts for hood/gas door release.
    Removing steering wheel panel - rotate a steering weel to get access to two screews.
    10. Dont forget to disconnect your battery!!!
    The reason I went this way as nissan dealer dont have any remote starters fo manual transmission micra.

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    One more interesting observation. I look thru Service Manual and found that standard transmission(RS5F91R) has a position and neutral switch. It might be easier to tap into that switch and use any type of remote starter in automatic transmission mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geo View Post
    One more interesting observation. I look thru Service Manual and found that standard transmission(RS5F91R) has a position and neutral switch. It might be easier to tap into that switch and use any type of remote starter in automatic transmission mode.
    Is this the K13 model tansmission from europe(standard transmission(RS5F91R)?
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    Micra 2019 S, 5 speed standard transmission owner

    For automatic remote starter on standard transmission, could be done with the neutral switch, imo

    So if we connect pin 3(if postive voltage and picture above) of the neutral switch to a relay 85 connector and relay 86 connector to ground, that will engaged the coil in the relay when the transmission is in neutral, and connect relay 30 connector to starter output from the remote starter and connector 87 to solenoid side wire of the cluch switch'
    So in theory, if it detect it's in neutral, the relay will connect the clutch seloinde side to the starter output from the remote starter to start the engine, and if the relay doesn't engaged because the transmision is not in neutral, the car won't start in gear..

    again in theory, that would be helpfully on using automatic car starter, instead of using standard car starter.. (cutting the yellow wire on the car starter (ProStar), yellow cable for standard transmission, cut yellow wire for automatic transmision... We wouldn't have to do the routine: Car running, hand break, put in neutral, click remoter starter, remove key, close and lock the door, stop the the remote starter to be ready for next remote start..

    soory if theres many mistake in my wording :-)
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    ProStart instruction how identify wich cluch switch and bypass a clutch switch for remote start:

    Clutch Bypass
    In order to remote start a manual transmission vehicle, the clutch switch must be bypassed. Clutch safety switch circuits can take many forms. Listed below are the most common ones. When testing to determine the type of clutch circuit, it is recommended to use a computer safe logic probe. Some vehicles may also have a separate or combined switch on the clutch pedal for cruise control. Usually a cruise control switch reacts the moment you touch the pedal, where as a clutch switch reacts only when the pedal is near the floor. Once the circuit type has been determined, you must recreate what happens electrically at the switch, with the remote
    CT-3271 p.9
    start module, to bypass the clutch during remote starts. Relays are often used to accomplish this. Always use the Ground Out When Running (G.O.) as the negative trigger on your clutch bypass relays, as it is only active during remote starts.
    NEVER permanently bypass a clutch switch. Do not attempt this if you are unfamiliar with the use of relays, and diode isolation.
    Before any Hot wiring attempts:
    Test and record the way each wire tests in the following positions:
    With out the pedal pressed:
    • test the wires with the Ignition OFF
    • test the wires with the Ignition ON
    • test the wires with the Key in the start position
    With the pedal pressed:
    • test the wires with the Ignition OFF
    • test the wires with the Ignition ON
    • test the wires with the Key in the start position
    • With this information for every wire at the switch, determining what type of clutch switching system you have will be easy.

    Direct Feed:
    The simplest type of system to test and bypass is the “Direct Feed” system. This circuit simply interrupts the +12v signal starter wire from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid. There are 2 wires in this circuit, the “key side” wire which goes from the clutch pedal to the Ignition switch, and the “solenoid side” which goes from the clutch switch to the starter motor. When the key is turned to the start position without pressing the pedal, you will test 12v only on one of the wires at the clutch switch, this is the key side. When the pedal is pressed down, and the key is in the crank position, the other wire will also read 12 volts; this is the solenoid side wire. To confirm you have a direct feed clutch switch, hot wire the “solenoid side” wire with a fused +12 volts and the starter motor will crank.
    Connect the starter output from the remote starter to solenoid side wire.

    Note: In the next two systems a Relay in the vehicle interrupts the start wire between the Ignition switch and the starter motor. With the key in the START position, and the clutch pedal pressed, the relay energizes and allows the start signal to reach the starter motor. In these systems a wires from the clutch triggers the relay, when the pedal is pressed. There will be another wire at the clutch switch that supplies the signal to the trigger wire (either positive or negative, depending on the system)

    Negative:
    In a Negative system, when the clutch is pressed; a negative signal is sent to the relay, the relay energizes, when the Key is turned to the start position the 12volts from the start wire is allowed to pass through the relay and to starter motor. One of the wires at the clutch will test as negative, this is the supply wire. The relay's negative trigger wire will only show negative when the pedal is pressed (some vehicle's also require the Ignition system to be powered). To confirm you have a Negative system, hot wire the negative trigger wire by jumping it to a ground source with your fused test jumper. You should now be able to turn the key to the start position and engage the start motor without pressing in the clutch pedal. If there is nothing else connected to the Ground Out When Running (G.O.) wire from the remote start module, the G.O. wire should be strong enough to trigger the vehicle's clutch relay. If there are other devices or modules connected to the G.O. Wire, a relay (and diodes) may have to be added to strengthen the negative current going to the clutch bypass.

    Positive:
    Very similar to the negative system, except that the vehicle's clutch relay is trigger by 12 volts, instead of a negative signal. In a Positive system, when the clutch is pressed; a positive (12 volts) signal is sent to the relay, the relay energizes, when the Key is turned to the start position the 12 volts from the start wire is allowed to pass through the relay and to starter motor. One of the wires at the clutch will test as 12 volts, this is the supply wire. The relay's positive trigger wire will only show positive when the pedal is pressed (some vehicle's also require the Ignition system to be powered). To confirm you have Positive system, hot wire the positive trigger wire by jumping it to a 12 volt source with your fused test jumper. You should now be able to turn the key to the start position and engage the start motor, without pressing in the clutch pedal. A relay is needed to send 12 volts to the trigger wire from the start module during start attempts.
    p.10 CT-3271

    Normally Closed ( N/C ):
    Note: There are different types of this system used by various vehicle manufacturers; the following is used to illustrate how these systems work in general.
    A Relay is also used in these types of systems to interrupt the starter wire. In the previous two examples, the clutch was bypassed by engaging the clutch relay; with this system you bypass the clutch by preventing the clutch relay from engaging. When the Ignition Key is turned to the start position the relay energizes and interrupts the start wire, when the pedal is not pressed. When the Ignition key is turned to the start position, and the pedal is pressed, the relay does not energize, and the start signal reaches the starter motor.
    In a N/C system the supply wire is connected to the relay's trigger wire at rest (pedal not pressed). When the pedal is pressed, the connection is broken between the supply wire and the relay's trigger wire (this disengages the relay). To verify that you have a N/C system, disconnect the clutch switch and the vehicle should start without the clutch pedal being pressed. When you test the trigger wire with your logic probe, the trigger wire will test as 12 volts or negative when the pedal is not pressed, it should read as an open circuit ( or Float) when the pedal is pressed.

    PLEASE NOTE
    Your probe may also show feed back from the other end of the circuit. The Polarity of the Trigger wire does not matter in this system, since all you need to do in order to bypass it is to use a relay to interrupt it during remote starts.
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    u lazy..turn key and enjoy being alive for 30 seconds...wife...kids...that amazing GF ....but thanks for posting wiring ...love wiring...BUT..dat seem like alota work!...lol


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    so receipt says $8,399....+1600 .... so they look good i guess...for a brand new car!

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